{"id":723,"date":"2016-12-13T16:41:18","date_gmt":"2016-12-13T16:41:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.thenontraditionalpharmacist.com\/staging\/8323\/?p=723"},"modified":"2024-12-30T15:59:33","modified_gmt":"2024-12-30T15:59:33","slug":"want-real-contacts-new-pharmacy-job-watch-interview","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.thenontraditionalpharmacist.com\/staging\/8323\/want-real-contacts-new-pharmacy-job-watch-interview\/","title":{"rendered":"Want Real Contacts for a New Pharmacy Job? Watch This Interview!"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2>Residency may not be your best option.<\/h2>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<div class=\"ast-oembed-container \" style=\"height: 100%;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Want real contacts for a new pharmacy career? Watch this interview!\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/M4QCM-0hWas?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<p><strong>Name<\/strong>: Frank Ascione<\/p>\n<p><strong>Position<\/strong>: Former Dean of the University of Michigan College of Pharmacy and current Director of the University of Michigan Center for Interprofessional Education<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: center;\">Interview Summary with Dr. Frank Ascione<\/h2>\n<p><strong>1. How would you assess the current state of the pharmacy profession?<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Expanded tremendously in the last 50 years\n<ul>\n<li>Traditional roles = community pharmacy, hospital pharmacy, and academia<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Types of roles have expanded over the last 40 years. Examples:\n<ul>\n<li>Administrative roles with Blue Cross Blue Shield<\/li>\n<li>Specialty Pharmacy roles<\/li>\n<li>Consulting roles<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>PharmD\u2019s graduating right now are being exposed to a rapid change of how we are providing care to people<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>2. How do you see the role of residency training and clinical training changing?<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>A lot of pressure on students to do the <strong>residency programs<\/strong><\/li>\n<li>Only about <strong>30% of students<\/strong> who graduate each year apply to a residency program \u00a0(see our\u00a0Pharmacy Times post)<\/li>\n<li>Traditionally those who don&#8217;t pursue residency mainly go into retail pharmacy, and a small number would go into pharmaceutical industry or other nontraditional areas<\/li>\n<li>Is a clinical residency program a necessary condition for job success?\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Dr. Ascione says NO<\/strong><\/li>\n<li>It is very important for certain roles (acute care, institutional settings, academia, etc.)<\/li>\n<li>Less evidence to show that residency is good for any other innovative area<\/li>\n<li>It may even be a <strong>negative<\/strong> because you are narrowing your choices<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>A residency program is an advanced practice experience, so you learn to practice in that environment (which may not be the area you\u2019re interested in)<\/li>\n<li>Residencies have helped to advance our practice in certain settings, but it <strong>probably has discouraged students<\/strong> (particularly if they really don\u2019t want to be in a residency program)<\/li>\n<li>People may feel unsuccessful if they choose not to do a residency or are not chosen for a position in a residency<\/li>\n<li><strong>This is not the case!<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>3. What are some of those key, emerging areas for growth potential that may be considered nontraditional pharmacy?<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>It is important to think beyond your specific roles (in pharmacy, we identify with medications but we are also healthcare providers)<\/li>\n<li>Pharmacists in the community are very accessible and have helped to improve areas such as vaccinations, family planning, medication administration techniques<\/li>\n<li>Anywhere you are dealing with a health product (not just a drug product), pharmacists could be there to act as a very important role\n<ul>\n<li>Example: A device that monitors blood pressure<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Getting exposure to more health products is a great opportunity<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>4. Could you highlight some of the key contacts and key people you know that hold nontraditional roles?<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Institutional setting<\/strong><\/li>\n<li><strong>Directors of hospitals<\/strong><\/li>\n<li><strong>Managed Care<\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>James Lang (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/james-lang-986a909\">LinkedIn<\/a>)<\/strong>, Vice President for Pharmacy Affairs at Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan\n<ul>\n<li>Started as a clinical pharmacist in the VA System, moved into managed care, and is now managing millions of dollars<\/li>\n<li>He has hired many pharmacy graduates to come in and deal with the drug benefits<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><strong>Alexandra Tongul Lin (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/alexandra-tungol-lin-1324a393\">LinkedIn<\/a>),\u00a0<\/strong>Blue Cross Blue Shield<\/li>\n<li>These individuals understand not only the drug benefit, but also the distribution system that exists for these drugs<\/li>\n<li>People are becoming more sophisticated in these areas and understand the economic part and the practice part<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><strong>Pharmacy Consulting<\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Ruth Opdycke (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/ruth-opdycke-a1522710\">LinkedIn<\/a>) \u00a0<\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li>Consultant on designing managed care plans (benefit design)<\/li>\n<li>Started as a clinically trained pharmacist<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><strong>Pharmaceutical Industry<\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Joan Bradley (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/joankbradley\">LinkedIn<\/a>)<\/strong>\u00a0Head of a medical communications firm (<a href=\"http:\/\/jbashtin.com\/\">JB Ashtin<\/a>)\n<ul>\n<li>Designs some of the communications structures that go out and promote drug products<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><strong>Peter Labadie (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/peter-labadie-9b03a54\">LinkedIn<\/a>)<\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li>Advertising Firm<\/li>\n<li>Started working for an advertising firm, then eventually created his own<\/li>\n<li>Knowing the science of the product was able to help him design a process<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><strong>Donald Therrasse (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/donald-therasse-m-d-a5293a16\">LinkedIn<\/a>)<\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li>Started with BS in pharmacy, went onto become a practicing physician, moved onto Eli Lilly, and retired as Vice President of Global Medical Affairs<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><strong>Community Pharmacy<\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Grant Brown (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/grant-brown-82235847\">LinkedIn<\/a>)<\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li>2nd generation pharmacist<\/li>\n<li>Took his family community pharmacy business and expanded into things such as contracting, mental health, IV additive services, etc.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>5. What advice would you give to people if they were interested in connecting with those people or pursuing similar roles?<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Networking is essential<\/strong><\/li>\n<li>Selling your skill set<\/li>\n<li>Working outside the realm (<strong>look outside the traditional roles<\/strong>)<\/li>\n<li>Actively look and see out these roles<\/li>\n<li>Various organizations help to create interactions for people\n<ul>\n<li>ISPOR<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Pharmacists are very <strong>comfortable in their traditional ways<\/strong> which is <strong>why residency is popular<\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li>Residency is a very <strong>convenient process<\/strong><\/li>\n<li>Very easy to attend meetings and plug yourself into the process<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Other nontraditional roles take a lot more work to setup\/discover<\/li>\n<li>Connect with connectors<\/li>\n<li>When you find someone who has something of value to you, <strong>work hard to find them and talk to them and learn about them<\/strong><\/li>\n<li>Do some research<\/li>\n<li>Look into the fields you are interested in and dig for more information<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>If you have any interest in these roles or individuals, please comment on the post below or visit our <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thenontraditionalpharmacist.com\/staging\/8323\/contact\/\">Contact Page<\/a>. \u00a0These people can help you move into a new career and are willing to help. 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